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DKCraft Minecraft Server => Support => Ban Appeals => Topic started by: eprocks60542 on January 31, 2013, 12:22:35 am

Title: Banned for Mild trolling?
Post by: eprocks60542 on January 31, 2013, 12:22:35 am
Ok, Lissy has crossed the line this time.  Let me first say this is the first day I have logged in, in like 3 or 4 days and I was just on for around 15 minutes.  I tpa'ed to 6DZ to check up on his base since I haven't looked at it in a while and saw him digging so I thought it would be funny to shoot at him.  (I understand this can be slightly annoying but I thought me and him were cool so I was to tell him after a few).  Well guess what, Lissy was stalking me in vanish (As usual) and banned me for "constantly annoying 6DZ and trolling, going to home sorry bye."  6DZ never said go away or anything when he found out but I left by myself.  Now I get that he might have been annoyed but I didn't know it would bother him and he didn't even get mad.  What i'm saying is I left when Lissy told me to and I did what I was supposed to and now I'm permanently banned.  I don't think this was worth a ban at all.  Lissy has banned me a few days ago for "disrespect" and now she thinks I was on some kind of strike program and that this act I did (Not even worth a kick) is the final straw.  I believe Lissy has been trying to get me banned by watching me constantly due to personal matters and I don't think this was justice at all.  I would like for you to rethink this permanent ban for "trolling" or playing with a friend of mine.  I haven't even talked to him in like 5 days so I don't see this as a repeated act due to these intervals.  She has also locked some of my posts for no reason because there was no disrespect or anything.  I have not broken any rules posting this either.                     -Eprocks
Title: Re: Banned for Mild trolling?
Post by: Lissy421 on January 31, 2013, 12:27:21 am
Welllll im not pardoning you. 6d has told me before that you go to his homeset often and he has told you to stop in the past. and after talking with 6d he did not like it and he is not what you call a "friend" of yours. he thought an Op was doing it. said you were doing it every few mins.
Title: Re: Banned for Mild trolling?
Post by: eprocks60542 on January 31, 2013, 12:34:15 am
Actually I shot exactly 4 arrows.  So I was merely there for 2 minutes.  I didn't know 6D was troubled as he as only told me once to leave a long time ago and that was because he was working on a mineshaft.  I don't come to his place as often as you think, I just thought we were friends.  I still don't think a perma ban was the right choice.  I think you just wanted to get an excuse to ban me for good.  That's my opinion.  Now i'm sorry about our past but you can't just ban me for small things like this, I didn't come to his house to annoy him, I was about to say hello to him and I shot the arrows to see if he would notice as a friendly joke.  I was gonna ask him where his old base was.  This is a misunderstanding clearly.  I just think if another moderator or operator saw me do this they would just tell me to leave at the most.
Title: Re: Banned for Mild trolling?
Post by: Lissy421 on January 31, 2013, 12:42:28 am
Its not my fault you give me reasons to ban you silly goose. Still not pardoning you. sorry buddy
Title: Re: Banned for Mild trolling?
Post by: eprocks60542 on January 31, 2013, 12:47:41 am
As I mentioned earlier, this isn't a good reason to ban anyone and I'm sure if you followed someone around long enough they might do something similar.  A permanent ban for annoying someone for 2 minutes is NOT a good reason.  A good reason is griefing, xraying, swearing the chat and spamming forever and etc.  I wish another staff person would look at this (not someone who will say the same thing as you because they are good friends because that is biased).  I want someone who is reasonable and can sort things out properly and not just perma ban.  Also btw, you put in my ban message "going to home" like I did something wrong when I tp'ed home because you didn't want me there.
Title: Re: Banned for Mild trolling?
Post by: Lissy421 on January 31, 2013, 12:49:10 am
all staff are my friends. all staff know who you are. im pretty sure they all would agree. besides. you were given a 2nd chance at this server, you blew it. twice now. 3 strikes your out buddy
Title: Re: Banned for Mild trolling?
Post by: eprocks60542 on January 31, 2013, 12:52:23 am
I don't believe there is a strike program and second 2 of these bans were done by you and that says something.  It says you really want me gone well, xDeeKay let me back on and we made an agreement so you can stop saying this is your second chance.  I would like him or someone who won't judge me on my past and look at me like a player and is  rational, please don't comment back Lissy421.  I do realize it will be hard for a staff to say something because that would be going against you and people fear that but please use your head staff.  (Banned for Disrespect).  5 days later  (Banned for trolling?).  Bad, bad reasons to ban.  I know this can be handled better.  Also, please don't refer to me as "buddy" because it looks like your trying to make me upset.         
Title: Re: Banned for Mild trolling?
Post by: Lissy421 on January 31, 2013, 12:57:40 am
well im still replying back. I am not pardoning you. And by all means let deekay see this. ill tell him myself
Title: Re: Banned for Mild trolling?
Post by: eprocks60542 on January 31, 2013, 12:59:33 am
I would rather you not tell him anything but him find out himself because for all I know you might be saying things that are not true.  What went on is exactly as I described it no more.  I have been playing in this server and acting pretty good  since he let me back in and I have a house, diamond armor and I like to play with users.  I am a normal player and this is the rare occasion where I did something wrong that is mild. 
Title: Re: Banned for Mild trolling?
Post by: Xentrality on January 31, 2013, 01:01:05 am
We've allowed you admittance back onto the server once already, and we expected your best behavior.

Allow me to post the rules:

Rules as seen on the forums (Scroll all the way down)

Spoiler (click to show/hide)

Rules as seen from in-game via /rules

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         Surely you read these and agreed to oblige to them. You've been rude to other players, and been teleporting to their homes without premission, 'trolling' them after being asked politely to stop. Even if you recall them as your 'friend' it would make sense to stop after the first time it bothers someone. Several people who's names won't be mentioned complained to me about this issue and I let it slide because I had the hope that you'd clean up your act. Several times I caught you disrespecting other players and even staff, which I let slide because I believed that you could still behave better. Unfortunately these mishaps add up, and you have been penalized accordingly.
Title: Re: Banned for Mild trolling?
Post by: eprocks60542 on January 31, 2013, 01:06:18 am
The only rule that I could have broken is: "Be respectful to other players" and I only shot at him 4 times and then I was going to greet him.  As mentioned above I think this is a miscommunication as my goal wasn't to make him mad I just wanted him to take it as a joke and say something like "lol".  I think I still don't deserve the ban as I wasn't trying to disrespect him it just seemed like it as you only saw the first part.  I was only playing around but sorry things like this happen.  People have done way worse stuff to me than things like this and they have not been banned or even kicked for the matter.  I was on my best behavior today because I was trying to be friendly and make him have a laugh, I didn't know he would be offended as he never said anything about it the first two shots.  So yes, I still disagree.
Title: Re: Banned for Mild trolling?
Post by: Lissy421 on January 31, 2013, 01:07:21 am
are you seriously talking about worse things? you have to be kidding me -.-
Title: Re: Banned for Mild trolling?
Post by: eprocks60542 on January 31, 2013, 01:08:16 am
I'm talking about for the reason you just banned me and the topic of this post, not my past (I made a mistake)  so don't bother.  Now, didn't I say I wanted to talk to other people?  I don't mean to be rude but didn't you get mad at me for budding into your conversations in the server?
Title: Re: Banned for Mild trolling?
Post by: Lissy421 on January 31, 2013, 01:09:50 am
SERIOUSLY talking about worse things done to you?! Because griefing peoples builds and ban evading and swearing and getting revenge and posting youtube videos isnt too bad... right?
Title: Re: Banned for Mild trolling?
Post by: eprocks60542 on January 31, 2013, 01:11:08 am
    TO LISSY421: I SAID worse things done than kidding around (The topic ban) with a player not my past as previously stated above if you look closely and understand the context because this post isn't about my past.  I am just waiting for Xentrality's response now.  Now, I know I have a bad reputation but I don't want this post to be biased.  When Dk let me back in I wished people wouldn't keep bringing that up.
   TO XENTRALITY:  I have to say I haven't even touched anyone on the server other than 6D and anyone else who "complained" (Who's names you have failed to mention).  I have not been tp'ing to peoples homeset's at all and I don't even recall seeing you on the server that much.  Basically what Im saying to you moose is that I think the things you are saying is baloney in my eyes.  PS: I have seen people break the disrespect rule about a 1000 times and no one cared at the slightest...
Title: Re: Banned for Mild trolling?
Post by: Lissy421 on January 31, 2013, 01:12:47 am
im not the one you brought up the past buddy. you said people have (past tense) done worse to me
Title: Re: Banned for Mild trolling?
Post by: Xentrality on January 31, 2013, 01:22:54 am
Quote from: eprocks60542 on January 31, 2013, 01:11:08 am
I SAID worse things done than kidding around (The topic ban) with a player not my past as previously stated above if you look closely and understand the context because this post isn't about my past.  I am just waiting for Xentrality's response now.  Now, I know I have a bad reputation but I don't want this post to be biased.  When Dk let me back in I wished people wouldn't keep bringing that up.

Sadly, that's how things like this work. We consider at all past offenses, small and large whilst we ban. Otherwise, it wouldn't be fair to people who've been banned for more misdeeds for the same time as someone who committed only one. As for bias, we disregard who actually provides the trouble, rather we look at the trouble caused itself. As staff, it's only our job that we look out for the server and protect it so it's a safe environment to all. This includes removing those who threaten the well-being of the members/server. As for the players, we ask that it is their job to provide a cooperative and friendly experience to all on the server.
Title: Re: Banned for Mild trolling?
Post by: eprocks60542 on January 31, 2013, 01:40:52 am
Honestly, kidding around here and there shouldn't be disrupting the environment as it is so mild.  I think 6D could have handled this and if he said something I would have left him alone (simple).  I even left when Lissy got mad.  I think your taking this all a bit too seriously considering everyone does little stuff like this every once in a while.  You can put this in once big picture but this is a ban appeal for the reason of me being banned for kidding with 6D not all this gibberish about corrupting the environment.  Now if it was a good reason like I was making fun of 6D or swearing at him in caps I wouldn't be here. 
Title: Re: Banned for Mild trolling?
Post by: Xentrality on January 31, 2013, 01:52:35 am
Quote from: eprocks60542 on January 31, 2013, 01:40:52 am
Honestly, kidding around here and there shouldn't be disrupting the environment as it is so mild.  I think 6D could have handled this and if he said something I would have left him alone (simple).  I even left when Lissy got mad.  I think your taking this all a bit too seriously considering everyone does little stuff like this every once in a while.  You can put this in once big picture but this is a ban appeal for the reason of me being banned for kidding with 6D not all this gibberish about corrupting the environment.  Now if it was a good reason like I was making fun of 6D or swearing at him in caps I wouldn't be here.

Please re-read the highlighted text

Sadly, that's how things like this work. We consider at all past offenses, small and large whilst we ban. Otherwise, it wouldn't be fair to people who've been banned for more misdeeds for the same time as someone who committed only one. As for bias, we disregard who actually provides the trouble, rather we look at the trouble caused itself. As staff, it's only our job that we look out for the server and protect it so it's a safe environment to all. This includes removing those who threaten the well-being of the members/server. As for the players, we ask that it is their job to provide a cooperative and friendly experience to all on the server.
Title: Re: Banned for Mild trolling?
Post by: eprocks60542 on January 31, 2013, 01:54:58 am
Did I threaten the players environment.  Lol, these are threatening at all and just this day I heard someone say in the chat "xray is awesome" and the mods didn't take action.  That just shows that Lissy has a grudge on me and is overreacting.  The past offenses have already been dealt with so I disagree.
Title: Re: Banned for Mild trolling?
Post by: impishmonkey on January 31, 2013, 01:55:40 am
Adding on to what Xentrality said:

I think the length of this ban is the result of your "previous behavior".

Had the "past" not happen, your ban would have been 1-3 days, but considering the past... which we have to take into account lest we not take our jobs as seriously, your ban is as long as it is.

At this point it's not so much about "letting go of the past" or a matter of being "fair or unfair". It's more like the straw that broke the camel's back. You were given more chances then you deserved and you blew it. You knew full well people didn't appreciate your "trolling" (considering your past) and yet you continued doing it.

Hope that clears up any confusion you might still have. :)


EDIT- Considering you are not a staff member, there isn't a clear way to know on your end whether a mod/op took action against the player talking about xray. So no, that would not "prove" that Lissy just has a grudge on you.
Title: Re: Banned for Mild trolling?
Post by: eprocks60542 on January 31, 2013, 02:01:05 am
It didn't clear anything up because the only time 6D told me to go away was once because I was afk there and I left (This was a long time ago).  Honestly I wasn't even trolling him, I was joking around with him and was going to say hello.  The only reason the post has trolling in it is because that's how Lissy labeled it (incorrectly) (misunderstanding).  Therefore, this act was so minor that it shouldn't have broken the camal's back at all.  It was worth a kick at the most and not even that in my opinion.  If someone wants someone to go away they say it.  If they say it and I don't go away then we have a problem.  He didn't say anything to me therefore I did not know he wanted me gone and I even left when Lissy said something.  This was me listening to the op and leaving even though 6D didn't say for me to leave.  As I said earlier, I didn't know he wanted me gone.  I'm talking common logic here about how this situation was handled please don't spam a bunch of threads to the rules.
Title: Re: Banned for Mild trolling?
Post by: impishmonkey on January 31, 2013, 02:27:43 am
Alright, I spoke with 6D and he told me that he did indeed tell you not to do that, in chat and in a pm. He said you would tp to him and stalk him/ visit his secret projects, all without permission.

As well as that, Lissy is not the only staff member 6D told that you were harassing him. He has told me as well, and probably a few other staff members, feeling as though he could not get you to stop.

We are also talking common sense here. The rules were posted to point out what rules you've broken. Links to the rules had only been posted once by Xentrality as far as I saw, please quote the other times if I missed them.
Title: Re: Banned for Mild trolling?
Post by: eprocks60542 on January 31, 2013, 02:41:04 am
6D never said a word today to me AT ALL and if he was really telling you that I was harassing him or whatever (I had no idea I was "harassing" him) then why didn't you tell me this before today?  Also he told me to go away on one day and the other ones he would play around and makes signs to me and etc. laughing.  I am literally clueless to why he would think any of this.  Also, he had a monster gen and I would pay him to use it in his old base so I was there sometimes with permission.  This isn't adding up...
Title: Re: Banned for Mild trolling?
Post by: DZHWKZ on January 31, 2013, 02:47:08 am
xen or imp or lissy could i tlk to u on the server plz?
Title: Re: Banned for Mild trolling?
Post by: eprocks60542 on January 31, 2013, 02:48:09 am
Quote from: DZHWKZ on January 31, 2013, 02:47:08 am
xen or imp or lissy could i tlk to u on the server plz?

SORRY 6D I DIDN'T KNOW YOU WANTED ME GONE.  Is this even 6D?. lol.
Title: Re: Banned for Mild trolling?
Post by: eprocks60542 on January 31, 2013, 02:55:42 am
What i'm saying is if he was trying to say that he wanted me gone then he didn't do a good job because last time I saw him I was using his gen at his house and he was fine.  He did not clearly say he wanted me gone and that'ts not my fault we had a miscommunication.
Title: Re: Banned for Mild trolling?
Post by: DZHWKZ on January 31, 2013, 03:05:28 am
we may have had  misscomunication when you visited at todays ohome but before that incident at my old ohome i had asked you many many times to leave (this was when i was building the mine) and i caught your nameplate exploring the spawner before i had allowed anyone near it even tho i said it publically that noone was allowed near it, me and you arent truly friends we had a bad start which never sorted out and u constantly showing up at my doorstep acting like we were and exploring all of my stuff kinda gives a bad vibe to someone and its common sense, no excuse for miscommunication there.  i had asked in the past for you to leave even when you werent doing anything , i dont see how we had any sort of miscommunication on that point.
Title: Re: Banned for Mild trolling?
Post by: DZHWKZ on January 31, 2013, 03:07:10 am
you would have been banned either way for this, however i dont control legnth, server rules guide those and it wasnt lissys choice to make it permanent, it was your third offense which does mean permanent.
Title: Re: Banned for Mild trolling?
Post by: DZHWKZ on January 31, 2013, 03:18:03 am
also, i would like to point out that i was cool with you using the spawner that time because it was finished, and you had paid to use it but before that when you went in i wasnt as cool with it
Title: Re: Banned for Mild trolling?
Post by: eprocks60542 on January 31, 2013, 03:27:26 am
Quote from: DZHWKZ on January 31, 2013, 03:18:03 am
also, i would like to point out that i was cool with you using the spawner that time because it was finished, and you had paid to use it but before that when you went in I wasn't as cool with it
Actually,
you are wrong.  You asked me to test your spawner and you showed me where it was and told me I got one free use of it after I finished testing it for you.  After that I paid you to use it.  Also, don't spam multiple topics, it makes you looky nooby.  The night you kept telling me to leave, I was afk and when I got back you covered me in furnaces, I thought you were closing the place down for the night so I left.  Other than that I don't remember coming to your house where you told me to leave.  There was a misunderstanding in high regards, because you never made it clear and you were friendly most the time.  I know you might be in a rush from all this happening but I wasn't blaming you for the ban I was saying we had a misunderstanding that's all.
Title: Re: Banned for Mild trolling?
Post by: Lissy421 on January 31, 2013, 04:33:34 am
so after more than one person telling me your behavior, its best you stay banned. this topic will be locked.
Title: Re: Banned for Mild trolling?
Post by: RamKitty on January 31, 2013, 09:30:30 am
This ban will be investigated by Myself & xDeekay, any queries or concerns can be sent to us via pm.